Vietnam—-the word was our “Long National Nightmare”—the phrase that President Gerald Ford coined to explain Disgraced Nixon.

Vietnam—I was just too young to go (born 1958).  But it still affected me greatly.  We lost (despite all the talk “America never loses a war”) and we returned a lot of broken guys….with Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and trump, and other multiple Draft Dodgers reaping the benefits.  Previous to this you had to have served in the military to be considered for political office.

Vietnam—the Protestors, were in the end—the Patriots.  The Hippies, Yippies and Zippies were proven right about the war.

I wanted to go to Vietnam, thinking I could make a difference. That somehow our troops were not fighting hard enough….I applied to West Point—but wasn’t accepted….

Vietnam—-it is only years later that I see how wrong I was and how wrong the establishment was.  Why couldn’t we learn from Korea, or the trouble the French had?

Dear Reader, the following excerpts are from my writings over the last two decades that maybe express my angst over the Vietnam question:
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Winter Soldier

Former US Army Sergeant Logan Laituri served a tour in Iraq before returning home and filing to be discharged as a conscientious objector. At the Winter Soldier (http://warcomeshome.org/wintersoldier2008) gathering later this month, he’ll describe how the rules of engagement he operated under lead to the approved killings of innocent civilians and the destruction of ancient landmarks.

In 1776, Thomas Paine wrote: “These are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.”

Winter Soldier is modeled on a similar event held by Vietnam Veterans 37 years ago.
In 1971, over 100 members of Vietnam Veterans Against the War gathered in Detroit to share their stories with fellow citizens. Atrocities like the My Lai massacre had ignited popular opposition to the war, but political and military leaders insisted that such crimes were isolated exceptions.

Among those in attendance was 27-year-old Navy Lieutenant John Kerry, who had served on a Swift Boat in Vietnam. Three months after the hearings, Nicosia notes, Kerry took his case to Congress and spoke before a jammed Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Television cameras lined the walls, and veterans packed the seats.
“Many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia,” Kerry told the committee, describing the events of the Winter Soldier gathering.
“It is impossible to describe to you exactly what did happen in Detroit – the emotions in the room, and the feelings of the men who were reliving their experiences in Vietnam. They relived the absolute horror of what this country, in a sense, made them do.”
In one of the most famous antiwar speeches of the era, Kerry concluded: “Someone has to die so that President Nixon won’t be – and these are his words – ‘the first president to lose a war’. We are asking Americans to think about that, because how do you ask a man to be the last man to die in Vietnam? How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?”
Members of Iraq Veterans Against the War can prove similarly historic – especially in encouraging an increase in the amount of GI Resistance against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
“This event is going to empower soldiers to follow their conscience whatever that means for them,” says Camilo Mejia, the Chair of the Board of Iraq Veterans Against the War. “The kinds of things we’re talking about are non-partisan. They’re non-political. They have to do with human being trapped in this atrocity producing situation.”

We cannot win the Iraq War. We no longer have John Wayne.

In 1968, John Wayne did a patriotic movie called The Green Berets. This movie inspired the general public to continue their support of the Vietnam War. Young men, like myself, made up our minds to enlist in the Army and fight the brutal terrorists; the Viet Cong. Lucky for me, eleven year olds cannot sign up.

Interestingly enough, we find out now in a series of books, that by 1968 McNamara and all the top generals had already concluded we could not win the Vietnam War. Many top generals have already made that determination about Iraq. For a war of Bush’s choice and not of American necessity, it seems he has some explaining to do.

When John McCain use to tell the “cross in the dirt” story on page 40 of the August 18th issue of Time, he use to say it was another older prisoner that came up to him and made the cross. He came up with the story after reading Alexander Solzhenitsyn’s “The Gulag Archipelago” about his times in the Soviet Gulags, a book that McCain actually admits reading. The story never appeared in his official military account of his POW time and even his 1973 autobiography written before Solzhenitsyn’s book.

Bush has an economic record that not even Herbert Hoover could beat, Bush’s conduct in the War on Iraq and Halliburton are crimes just waiting to be indicted for; yet, Kerry was dismantled completely. From the term “flip-flopper” first used by Ronald Reagan against Jimmy Carter to the bogus ballot initiatives on same-same marriage. I saw some of the documentaries on Kerry’s early life and the Vietnam War and the Congressional Testimony —and this guy should have been the next JFK. I didn’t allow myself to fall in love with this candidate like I did with Al Gore, since a broken heart is hard to live with, but I did come to greatly respect and admire Senator John F. Kerry.

“War doesn’t decide who is Right;
only who is Left.” –
T-Shirt From the Vietnam War Protests in response to Right-wing Republican Nixon;
Used in Iraq War Protests in response to Right-wing Republican Bush;
Oh how history viciously repeats itself.

Back of pick-up truck window in Santa Fe on June 27, 2006:
“We taught our sons and daughters not to kill other people’s sons and daughters.”

Bernadette Montoya (no relation I know of) paints a wonderful picture of the spirit of Santa Fe and a community tied to its faith and happiness in her editorial of Sunday April 10th. Her wish of good will and peace is a good and worthwhile message.

But her view of the World and of how George W. Bush Administration has brought freedom and patriotism to it, is very pollyannaish and potentially dangerous. The idea that all the protestors at the Plaza and on St. Francis Drive are out-of-state Anglos whose hatred consumes them is naive and somewhat bigoted. Many of these people lived through the Vietnam War and saw what effect a guerilla war had on the minorities and poor of this country who were forced into fighting a no-win situation. It was a war undeclared by Congress and a war of choice and not necessity. We thought we could stop Communism by removing South Vietnam’s dictator and calling for elections: “The recent election attended by 2/3 of the electorate confirms a rejection of violence and terrorism and energizes democracy.” – The New York Times, 1965 on Vietnam.

In 1968, John Wayne did a patriotic movie called The Green Berets. This movie inspired the general public to continue their support of the Vietnam War. Young men, like myself, made up our minds to enlist in the Army and fight the brutal terrorists; the Viet Cong. Lucky for me, thirteen year-olds cannot sign up.

Interestingly enough, we find out now in a series of books, that by 1968 McNamara and all the top generals had already concluded we could not win the Vietnam War. That was the big stink about the “Pentagon Papers” that citizens ignored and called Ellsberg unpatriotic for leaking them. Many top generals have already made that same determination about Iraq. For a war of Bush’s choice and not of American necessity, it seems he has some explaining to do. We have been in continuous combat operations in Iraq since 1991 (fly-over bombings) making it two years longer than Vietnam.

We re-fought the Vietnam War in the 2004 Presidential Election and America still lost. You can have the worst job record since Republican President Herbert Hoover led us into the Depression; and you can be a National Guard deserter and beat a Vietnam Veteran with three Purple Hearts and a Silver Star, just by calling him unpatriotic. People wake up ! We have inherited another Tricky Dick Nixon, with the name of Bush, and he and his Administration (many who worked for Nixon) are ready to implode under their own weight of corruption and incompetence — just as Watergate and Kent State took down the Re-election landslide success of the Republicans in 1972, Halliburton and Abu Ghraib torture scandal will take down Bush and Cheney. History repeats itself even in the Santa Fe politics that Montoya has fond memories of.

Honor those who sacrificed their lives with the truth. May 4, 2005

I first started writing this piece on May 4th, 2005. Thirty-five years ago today, four college students were gunned down by the Ohio National Guard at Kent State. I was 12 years old at the time, but I can remember what impact it had on the nation. A couple of voices spoke up and said the protestors were traitors and deserved to be shot. Up until that point, I believed we would win in Vietnam and needed to stay there and continue fighting. Then when our own army shot down unarmed protesters, I knew we were going too far and were blinded by some false illusions of victory.

The Kent State tragedy is memorialized in the song by Neil Young, “4 dead in Ohio.” When popular culture goes against the war, the support for an un-winnable war becomes lost. Last week on April 29th, thirty years ago, was the Fall of Saigon and Vietnam. And our disgraceful exit to the longest lasting war in American History: 1963 to 1975, and 58,000 lives lost for an inevitable conclusion we could not stop. Now Iraq started in 1991, until today; with 1992 to 2003 in active combat situations under the no-fly zone; officially makes Iraq the longest continuous war.

As we enter this Memorial Day weekend, we need to remember all those soldiers lost (1,600) in the War in Iraq, and how they died in a war of choice and not necessity (and the 6,000 unaccounted for U.S. military bodies shipped back from Germany since 2002). So that the circumstances of their untimely deaths should not go unheeded. This war was conceived as a blood-for-oil exchange by the Bush Administration, and they should be held accountable. Let’s not forget the wounded (12,000 official numbers and 25,000+ unofficial), and the Iraqi civilians that we are bringing democracy to (100-200,000 killed).

War always results in death and destruction, yet somehow we come to worship our warriors and find some glory in their exploits. Being the victor for so long, the United States often forgets the pain of the vanquished, and get involved in foreign entanglements that George Washington warned us Against and King George promised us he would never get involved with in 2000. We tease the French as cowards, and call them ungrateful for two liberations. But being European, maybe they understand the 1,000 years of useless wars they fought, only to always remain the neighbors of England, Germany, Italy and Spain; and now European Union allies.

War always comes with a price, the question is: when does that price become too steep for a war that could have been avoided? Promising our veterans, our children, and our war dead that: we will defend freedom forever, but only when necessary; is the greatest gift and tribute to them this Veteran’s Day.

Unjust wars discredit and discolor the memory of those who made the ultimate sacrifice. A man can only give his life but once for his country, and to tarnish this contribution with lies about whether the war was needed, is an insult to his family. When a citizen offers his service to the greater public good and takes up the uniform, they deserve the truth about why we are going to war and what will be the price of these actions.

When we went into Afghanistan, it was clear we were going after bin Laden. The world supported us, and it was a moral war. The U.S. Constitution should be honored with only Congress declaring war after a full and fair debate. Then when young men and women die in that cause of combat, their families can take solace in the fact that they died doing the right thing.

Public Enemy Number One May 4, 2005

Public Enemy Number One is the new name for George W. Bush. He is the most dangerous person to the American way of life since Stalin, Hitler and company. He is even more dangerous than his family’s oil business partners of Sadaam Hussein and the bin Ladens. He endangers the environment, water quality, air quality, and public education. His arrogance and laziness jeopardizes good government. His fear of science and obsession with religion is taking us back to the twelfth century. The people he has surrounded himself with, are making bad decisions that have slaughtered our troops in Iraq. He has lied to us about WMD and taken us into a war to avenge his daddy. His cowboy attitude incites terrorism and makes us less safe. There is only one moral and legal way of getting rid of him and that is impeachment.

Fred Sena, General Manager 6-18-2005
KVSF-KTRC AM Radio
AGM Communications
Santa Fe, New Mexico

To Whom it May Concern:

I am writing to you in support of KTRC-KVSF 1400 AM Radio and its programming choice of Air America.

I am deeply afraid of an organized attempt by the Republican Party to write letters to the Federal Communications Commissions to complain about the programming content of the Air American programming on your station. This action would be taken to close down the news source that many people depend on in order to prevent the inevitable impeachment of President Bush.

This time period is very reminiscent of 1973 when KTRC 1400 AM was a live radio talk show and the topic of discussion I would call in was always on whether or not Richard. M. Nixon should be impeached. Defenders of the President stated we were in the Vietnam War and it was unpatriotic to criticize the President. Bush’s Downing Street Memo is as damming as the Watergate break-in was to Nixon. Yet, no major media source is covering the story but Air America. All media sources are afraid of the power of the presidency just as the dirty tricks campaign of Nixon was able to shut down his opposition.

Speaking Truth to Power December 18, 2005 336 words

I must speak out now. I have been hesitant to speak out because I never served in Vietnam. I don’t want to be accused of being unpatriotic. I avoided service by being in a ROTC program. Not as a coward like George W. Bush, or apparently William Clinton, but I was thinking that I could bring Victory in Vietnam by being a better officer. I felt that our U.S. Army was not fighting hard enough or smart enough to get the job done. I thought I would make a difference.

My father, a World War Two veteran, told me always go into the military as an officer, and that was what I was striving for.

I deeply supported the War in Vietnam and President Nixon. Watergate and the cover-up, and pending impeachment, shattered my beliefs in the American Presidency. My president lied to me. Watergate was broken into to make sure the Democratic Party didn’t know about the Nixon plans to keep us in Vietnam and avoid the peace process. More Presidential lies and crimes.

So very similar to Bush’s defense of invading Iraq. But nothing is happening to the Bush gang. Haven’t we learned anything from that guerilla war in Vietnam? Haven’t we learned anything from Watergate? Bob Woodward is accepting book deals from the Bush administration to keep quiet this time. Between $300 and $500 million dollars has been spent in taxpayer dollars to publicize stories at the Education Department for No Child Left Behind, the Defense Department in Iraq and at home, and planted stories at the following departments to advance the Bush agenda: Medicare Prescription Drug Program, Homeland Security, Veterans Administration reforms which are cuts to benefits, Department of Agriculture, Internal Revenue Service tax cuts, EPA, and Social Security. There was even a gay escort James Guckert planted as reporter Jeff Gannon in the White House for three years.

Who is left to speak truth to power? Only a publication like Crosswinds—pass your copy to a friend and make them aware.

For verification:
Enrique Montoya

Plot Summary for
The Ugly American (1963)
An intelligent, articulate scholar, Harrison MacWhite, survives a hostile Senate confirmation hearing at the hands of conservatives to become ambassador to Sarkan, a southeast Asian country where civil war threatens a tense peace. Despite his knowledge, once he’s there, MacWhite sees only a dichotomy between the U.S. and Communism. He can’t accept that anti-American sentiment might be a longing for self-determination and nationalism. So, he breaks from his friend Deong, a local opposition leader, ignores a foreman’s advice about slowing the building of a road, and tries to muscle ahead. What price must the country and his friends pay for him to get some sense?

No nation in recorded history has been an occupying army in a civil war between three other parties, and has “won.” We did not win the guerilla war in Vietnam, despite the number of battles we won and the millions of Vietnamese we killed. We inherited an un-winnable war from the French who started it in 1887 and pulled out in 1954. By 1968, McNamara knew we couldn’t win.

Are We Trying to Win Vietnam Again? (History Repeats Itself) January 12, 2007

Randi Rhodes Show:

First time caller over 18.

There have been a lot of comparisons of the Iraq occupation to the Vietnam War. And when it comes up in the media the neocons are saying it is not similar at all. But deep in the psyche of the neocon is shame the young neocons felt in their defeat in Vietnam. Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz were in the government and Republican Party that was totally consumed by “winning” in Vietnam.

Is the Bush plan just a desperate attempt to erase the defeat of the American Military in Vietnam with a “big miracle win” in Iraq? The neocons publicly chastised President Ford for withdrawing in 1975. So it was so ironic to see them at his funeral trying to rewrite history. Bush himself wants to be the War President so he can erase his desertion during Vietnam.

A preemptive war against a nation that couldn’t defend itself well and was rich in oil seemed like the perfect scenario for mission accomplished and winning the Vietnam War second time around.

Shaped by Vietnam You Must Remember the Lessons (PUBLISHED)

U.S. News and World Report letters@usnews.com 5-20-2007

Dear Editor:

Your May 14th issue had the most profound quote from George W. Bush: “A generation shaped by Vietnam must remember the lessons of Vietnam. When America uses force in the world, the cause must be just, the goal must be clear, and the victory must be overwhelming.” – August 21, 2000 in a speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars.

It is sad that this truism didn’t sink in. Obviously the words are meaningless to him and were just a desperate attempt to win an election by any means necessary. We should have recognized his phoniness from the start. His legacy will be Iraq—and the footnote will read: “he should have known better.”

Sincerely,

It is not as “clear cut” as Vietnam. North versus South; with North receiving aid from China to run a guerrilla war. But having gone through the Vietnam experience—we should know when things become unwinnable.

George W. Bush in his pronouncement of August 21, 2007 stated that Iraq is a lot like Vietnam; and I believe he is finally right. It is a war that professional military people have come to the conclusion two years ago that it is lost and yet, politicians desperately want to continue it, just to make money off of it. Cost overruns on arms shipments is the normal course of business in both wars. The military industrial complex is fueling propaganda just like in Vietnam. The war is continuing longer than it took us to win World War II and is proving to be the most expensive war in our national history just like Vietnam was.

Iraq is a war that the rich kids do not have to fight like W did for Vietnam when he got preferential treatment by being a Congressman’s son and later went AWOL. Iraq and Afghanistan veterans are returning being hooked on heroin, just like in Vietnam. PSTD is rampant and is left untreated just like in Vietnam. Bush started a war of choice and doctored the intelligence to support the cause for war; just like was done in the Gulf of Tonkin for Vietnam. The puppet government in Iraq is faltering, just like in Vietnam.

Needless deaths of civilian and military people for the vanity of a President that is afraid to admit he is wrong. The only thing that can get us out is Congress cutting off the money.

Sincerely,

William H. Mee
2073 Camino Samuel Montoya
Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507
(505) 473-3160 WilliamHenryMee@aol.com

8-21-2007 WASHINGTON (CNN) — As he awaits a crucial progress report on Iraq, President Bush will try to put a twist on comparisons of the war to Vietnam by invoking the historical lessons of that conflict to argue against pulling out.

Had we not gone through Watergate and the Vietnam War—the actions of Bush and Cheney might be somewhat excusable. But with these precedents firmly established in our history and popular culture only the most arrogant and incurious of individuals would continue on the course that has been established from 2000-2008. Many precepts of constitutional law were tested and ruled on by the courts in the Watergate and Ellsberg investigation and hearings. Nixon said that “Well, when the president does it that means that it is not illegal.” This means if the President does it (as the Commander-in-Chief in the interests of national security) it is not illegal. This was a statement that justified Executive authority until dispelled by the U.S. Supreme Court. There was a belief that the Vietnam War—a guerilla war of insurgency could be won and that we weren’t occupiers as we find we are in Iraq. The anti-war protestors of Vietnam were considered to be unpatriotic and shirking of their civic duties. They were a minority and counter-culture instead of the 70% majority and mainstream opposition to the Iraq War (Occupation) we have today.

Found in the Nixon-Frost interviews: http://www.landmarkcases.org/nixon/nixonview.html in defense of pre-FISA domestic spying.

The Domino Theory is very much alive. The theory that said we should intervene in Korea and Vietnam to stop the spread of Communism is applicable today to contain the spread of Al Qaeda. The elementary principles of math should tell us that in order to stop the threat of Al Qaeda from the 198 countries of the world we don’t preemptively attack the one country of Iraq. We need to be in 198 places. At the time of the internationally illegal Invasion of Iraq by the Bush-Cheney brain trust, Al Qaeda was in 64 countries with moderate influence. After five years of our failed foreign policy, they are in 68 countries with stronger influence. This is due to the illogical “fight them over their so we don’t have to fight them over here” argument of the Bush Administration and the Neocon movement who are making vast sums of money off of our military involvement whilw moving their headquarters overseas to avoid taxation like Halliburton in Dubai (it also avoids prosecution from war crimes and illegal war profiteering).

Instead of saying after 9-11 that the United States is taking Osama bin Laden and his organization Al Qaeda to the International Court of Law and going to ask that the Court find him and his compatriots guilty of murder in absentia; thus requesting the authority to seize these terrorists and their assets anywhere in the world by any government; G.W. Bush did nothing. Instead of enlisting the world to seek justice, Bush-Cheney chose the “lone wolf” approach.

Instead of stopping the dominos from falling one-by-one, the Bush Administration and Condoleeza Rice chose to empower Al Qaeda as the Muslim world’s “freedom fighters.” As we turned to the public relations ploy of calling the Occupation of Iraq in the 2004 Presidential Campaign as “helping the spread of democracy”; Al Qaeda was becoming legitimatized as a religious movement. Face it: one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.

No doubt this foreign policy stuff is difficult and beyond the mind or attention span of Dubya. As world food shortages occur, the spread of Al Qaeda is inevitable. Unless we withdraw the Iowa National Guard from Iraq and bring them home to grow corn and wheat for export to these countries that are suffering; WE LOSE THE WAR. The dominos all fall.

In the Vietnam War, our generals were keenly aware of winning the hearts and minds of the Vietnamese people. That this was the only way to win a guerilla war from a populist movement like the Viet Cong. Substitute the words “Iraq” for “Vietnam” and “Al Qaeda” for “Vietnam” and it might as well be 1968 instead of 2008. Wake up America!
Sincerely,

John McCain Should Scare You. 8-18-2008

When John McCain speaks you should listen. No, he is not E.F. Hutton with some pearl of economic wisdom. In fact, he has been pretty clear that he doesn’t understand economics at all. His economic advisors like Phil Graham and Carly Fiorina are pretty clear about not understanding you also. In fact, from their elitist positions they think you are “whiners.” You need to shut up and take your financial losses while they rape your assets. The maximization of wealth for the ultra-super rich is the goal—now shut up; this is the Treasury Secretary Graham’s policy. The economic policy is to squeeze the middle class dry. Relax credit regulations until people get so in over their head you can break them. John McCain married Cindy, his trust fund baby millionairess, and is now set for life. Cindy is invested in the formerly American Budweiser that has recently been bought by a Belgian-Brazilian beer company; St. Louis is getting set for layoffs; while the McCains will get a dividend. Cindy has three American Express cards and pays off her accounts each month. For July, the bill was $800,000.00 in household expenses—the actual cost required to run the ten houses they own. One of the cards was for $50,000 of expenses their son had in one month. You probably don’t spend that much in a year. But then John McCain wants to extend those Bush tax cuts for himself and his empire. When John McCain speaks you listen. You will see how out of touch he is with the average American. Rather like a George H.W. Bush and his grocery store scanner. But that’s right—he doesn’t use a computer or own a Blackberry; he allows others to do that for him.

When John McCain speaks you should listen. Because what McCain says should scare you. He speaks from his Georgian Lobbyist’s positions of taking a tough line on Russia. I feel he wants us to attack Russia through Iran. Two for the price of one. Then nuke Iraq for good measure. That is what a maverick would do. McCain has had a lifelong need to win in Vietnam and this can best be achieved by an Iran War. We barely survived the last eight years of Bush “cowboy diplomacy” and McCain now offers a ‘fighter pilot on steroids’ alternative of Bush’s “shoot first and ask questions later.” Imagine a Lindsey Graham as Secretary of Defense with torture as a mainstay of policy. This is not the America, the ‘home of the brave’, we grew up in. It is a back door deal, secretive, lying Administration that has lost the American People’s and World’s confidence. But then all the war criminals in the Bush Administration have contributed to McCain and signed volunteer sheets for his campaign to protect themselves from jail time. G.W. Bush term III. If you are a patriot you need to stop this culture of corruption and vote against all Republicans to get to the truth and stop war mongering and illegal profiteering. Profits are an American ideal—but these profits are being taken overseas in offshore deals like relocating the Halliburton (Cheney) Headquarters in Dubai.

When John McCain speaks you should listen. Because what McCain says should scare the hell out of you. He panders to extremist right wing religious preachers (most recently Rick ) and outright lies about Obama in commercials. McCain will say and do anything to get elected. He is not the same man from the 2000 election. He allows surrogates to attack Obama on race and religion because this is what fuels the Republican base as much as gay-bashing and abortion; he knows this first-hand from 2000 South Carolina. He sends out Liebermann like some puppet. McCain flip-flops on campaign finance reform, immigration, taxes, etc. Then he says he now supported a MLK Holiday. But still you kind of believe the guy and like him because he is a war hero. The media loves McCain and likes to ride on his bus. Paint a slogan on it and you have the “Straight Talk Express.” Maybe McCain is brainwashing you. When McCain speaks you listen. Snap out of it.

When McCain speaks you listen. Because what McCain says should scare you into action—like volunteering for the Democratic Party. But you tell me that Obama is just too intellectual for you. He is always giving half hour to hour speeches. It is just too much to read. Remember who was the Presidential candidate guy you would most want to have a beer with in 2000? How did that work out for you? It sucked for the rest of the nation (even for the world). Hope you enjoyed that beer.

Here is the formula of McCain’s life: 26 years in Washington as an insider + Keating 5 + 2 wives + 5 crashed jets x $1.82 billion per day U.S. National Debt = “the real McCain”

Keating 5 + 2 wives + 5 crashed jets x $1.82 billion per day U.S. National Debt = “the real McCain”
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Second, conservatives are acutely aware that they represent a minority, not a majority, position in America. From Nixon to Lee Atwater to Karl Rove, they play politics and exploit America’s divides with back-alley brass knuckles—from Reagan’s welfare queen to Bush’s impugning the patriotism of Georgia Senator Max Cleland, a Vietnam War hero who literally sacrificed his limbs in the service of his country. They excel in the politics of personal destruction, as Democratic presidential candidates Michael Dukakis and John Kerry discovered. And in the grand tradition of the establishment in American politics, they are relentless in seeking to suppress the vote, particularly of the poor and minorities who would vote against them in large numbers.

Published on Thursday, March 29, 2007 by The Miami Herald

No Longer Bush’s War But The GOP’s
by Marie Cocco

From its inception, the Iraq War has been President Bush’s signature project.

It was conceived by a small band of neoconservatives who had on their side the vice president’s robust agreement and unflagging determination to have the United States return to Iraq. They, in turn, had the president’s ear.

The public has long seen Iraq as Bush’s war. It is why his approval ratings soared with what appeared to be initial success, and why they have sunk with the prospects for anything resembling an American victory. Now the war belongs to the GOP.

That is really what happened in the House the other day. All but two Republicans opposed the Democrats on the vote in favor of a war funding measure that seeks to wind down American military involvement with a set of political benchmarks that the Iraqi government and Bush himself have long espoused but never attained.

The same is about to occur in the Senate, when it votes this week on a war spending bill that includes a “goal” but no “requirement” of bringing U.S. combat troops home in a year. Having first blocked even debate on a nonbinding resolution on Iraq in the Senate, Republicans there now will be almost unanimous in opposing this more robust bill.

They are standing with Bush.

An indelible mark

And so, just as Vietnam-era war protesters and later Jimmy Carter’s Iranian hostage crisis tarred Democrats with public perceptions that they were dangerously incompetent on foreign policy in general, and in military matters in particular, Iraq may leave an indelible mark of political shame on Republicans. The Pew Research Center, in its annual survey of American political values,
reveals plummeting Republican fortunes across the board.

With the Iraq votes as the backdrop, the shift in public sentiment about the proper course of U.S. foreign and military policy is striking.

In the summer of 2002— less than a year after the 9/11 attacks and just as Bush was revving up his public-relations push for invading Iraq 62 percent of Americans agreed that “the best way to ensure peace is through military strength.” The proportion is now down to 49 percent, the lowest figure in the 20-year history of Pew values surveys, the researchers note. Likewise, those who agree that the United States should “get even” with any country that takes ”advantage” of it have plunged from 61 percent in 2002 to 40 percent. That also is the lowest number registered in two decades.

The notion of preemptive war “the heart of the Bush doctrine” still is supported by 55 percent, but that, too, is down from the two-thirds who agreed in 2003. Meanwhile, support for the United Nations, that favorite conservative bugaboo, has climbed.

The public hasn’t only soured on Iraq; it’s sick of dangerous bombast masquerading as foreign policy.

Yet, unmistakable swagger still animates Bush’s foreign policy — and echoes through the talking points Republicans recite. Rep. Tom Price, R-Ga., debating the House measure, declared that Democrats want to “accept defeat at any cost.” House Republican leader John Boehner of Ohio went so far as to charge that the Iraq funding measure would “end Israel as I know it” and allow terrorists to ”find us on the streets of America in stead of the streets of Baghdad.”
Defining the end of one political era and the start of another is never a neat task. What’s most apparent now is that the public hysteria following the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 “a fear whipped into frenzy as the Bush administration sought to promote the Iraq invasion” has abated. The incompetent treatment given gravely wounded soldiers and their families likewise diminishes the Republicans’ claim to be the party most supportive of the military.

”What’s our mission?”

The Republicans’ deeper problem is that they still cannot answer the question Rep. Patrick Murphy, D-Pa., posed during the House debate. The former Army captain and Iraq veteran recounted questions he said his gunner had asked, as their convoy moved through a perilous area known for ambushes. He said, `Sir, what are we doing over here? What’s our mission? When are these Iraqis going to come off the sidelines and fight for their own country?”
Blind support for Bush’s war helped doom the Republicans last November. The defeat may or may not portend a long-term hazard. But it may well be the first sign that the Iraq misadventure does for Republicans what Vietnam did for Democrats.

©2007 Washington Post Writers Group

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No one tells Ted Kennedy what to do; in any case, the Senate’s Democratic leaders were fine with his plan to give a big speech two days before President George W. Bush announced a troop “surge” in Iraq. They are generally glad to let Kennedy play the role he relishes: Irish-American Isaiah, calling his party to account even as legislative insiders keep their distance.

This time party brass got more than they bargained for. Summoning the authority of his years as an intimate witness to history, Kennedy made an eloquent case for a Senate vote on the surge and for a court test of its legitimacy under the War Powers Resolution. “Iraq is George Bush’s Vietnam!” he thundered. “Echoes of that disaster are all around us today!”

It was, in its own way, a defining moment. He got a standing ovation and, the next day, congratulations all around on the Hill. By the end of the week—in the aftermath of Bush’s tepid speech and Condi Rice’s evasive testimony—Kennedy looked prescient.

A generation ago, a war—Vietnam—launched a realignment of American politics. Now, it seems increasingly clear, Iraq is doing the same. In 1968 college students flocked to the New Hampshire primary to protest Lyndon Johnson’s policies, sparking a civil war in the Democratic Party on foreign policy that lasted for a generation. By contrast, Vietnam united the GOP around an anti-communist crusade that endured for decades. “Ronald Reagan was gung-ho about Vietnam,” says Craig Shirley, a GOP operative and Reagan biographer. “It solidified his world view, and the party’s.”

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Hullo William,
THANK YOU for liking my post about Jane Fonda. YOu may notice it has vanished–I pulled it before I said anything I would regret.

Of course I was demonstrating against that war for years–cane and all! Subsequently, I worked with Vets undoing the damages an M15 can do and developed a methodology to undo PTSD flash backs. One of my patients went on to hand draw an amazing animation — not a cartoon — of his experiences in Viet Nam and the loss of his best buddy there. I write about him in my bio, as he and his buddy signed up when they were 16. I will send you that excerpt as it was about things never shared with the US public. Sky David is on FB with me now.

For those that don’t know…Ted Nugent was afraid to be drafted, so for several weeks before his induction physical he did not bathe then gave himself diarrhea and didn’t clean his shorts the morning of his appointment for an army physical. Real tuff guy (his nickname is ted poop in pants mutant) on his reality show….apparently, Trump got five deferments based on an injured foot which actually changed in one of the reports. The Chickenhawks (the GOP guys that call for war but then do not serve) are here: http://www.nhgazette.com/chickenhawks/.

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