The title of this piece: How would Trump round up 11-15 million “Illegal Aliens”?; poses a number of processes that will be almost impossible to coordinate to an effective outcome. The processes foretell of a dictatorship in our long standing democracy. But it did happen in WWII with the Japanese Relocation Camps and it did happen rather quickly in 1942. Some Germans and Italians were also rounded up.
First, there is the legality of such a program. Is it Constitutional? Could the U.S. Supreme Court perhaps packed by a President Donnie Trump (like FDR), then be relied on to overlook precedence (case law) and make the law of the land that they have to go? Is it a emergency crisis like WWII was. Perhaps another WWI Zimmerman Telegram can be found implementing foreign influences (in WWI it was German; maybe now Chinese or Russian) on the Mexican Government.
Secondly, then can Congress make supplemental laws to guide the processes (only Mexicans and not Indian H-Visa holders working in the computer industry) Will Congress have enough White Supremacists to vote this in? They are very close now under Ryan/McConnell. Does Speaker Paul Ryan still have Presidential ambitions that will give him no stomach for such xenophobic programs?
Thirdly, who will write the implementing regulations? Will the Federal Register process be skipped? Is it the lead of Department of Homeland Security (ICE) or the U.S. Attorney General? Will AG Chris Christie remember something from law school? Will others involved in the rule-making processes resign based on principle and delay the process?
Fourthly, where will the manpower come from? Handling 11-15 maybe 20 million people will take between 1-5 million employees. Or will we contract the process to TSA or a new contractor that will have months of training (on issues of: can deadly force be used?). Going back to the 1920 Mexican Repatriation Act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Repatriation) goals were setup for the police departments in California of 2,000 people a day. At first it was easy for the Los Angeles Police Department to drive out to Bakersfield and pick up 2,000 people a day as they were picking crops, and then just bus them off. Later, they just cleaned out all the downtown laundries, restaurants and hotels (occasionally getting an American citizen who didn’t have any paperwork on them and who looked Brown, or spoke funny—not many people had driver’s license or even birth certificates back then). Nowadays, a computer search would just round up all the Abeytas, Aragons and Arellanos, first ,then the Baca’s Chavez’s and Delgados next (the Zapatas and Zepedas would be so lucky, their name is last). Ooops maybe another 20 million of Latino heritage are in fact, U.S. Citizens. What about those Native Americans in the Southwest who have Hispanic last names, and are a little Brownish-Red? We could lay traps for these undesirables in the “bad” side of town. Just round them up like the sheep.
Fifthly, do we have enough planes, buses and maybe trains to take them all? Maybe cattle trucks and train cars like the Nazis. By the way who is paying for this all? Is this a growth industry?
Sixthly, will Mexico accept these people? Or will they send the army to the border to prevent their crossing? What about those Guatemalans and El Salvadorans? Or is every Latino just a Mexican? Should we just nuke the Mexican Army and the waiting “Illegal Aliens” in camps awaiting the deportation? Yes, this sounds easiest to Donnie Trumpster, the man with his finger on the nuclear button……..problem solved! Now, how to suspend the election of 2020?
Imagine the bureaucracy that would have to be created to do this? Remember how messed up TSA was just to do a little airport security jig? Remember Senator Ted Kennedy was on the “No-Fly” list—because some right-wing people didn’t like Kennedy? Then how complicated it was to pull together Homeland Security (now the largest federal agency by 2-3 times bigger than any other agency)? Imagine all the wrong people rounded up and the lawsuits against the government. Maybe even some people going “postal” once rounded up? For what ends is this necessary? Trump’s vanity?
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Maybe Melanie Trump’s immigration troubles will put a light on how bad this nation’s immigration system is for immigrants and their families: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/05/trumps-wife-worked-illegally-during-her-first-weeks-in-us-documents-show.html
In Santa Fe, New Mexico, we have families of three generations of Mexicans living in a trailer: Parents here since 1980’s maybe rounded up a couple of times, and are now actually citizens after lengthy processes; children of those parents born here in 2000’s (so yes they are natural-born citizens); Grandparents here that came after an invitation in 1990’s/2000’s —but they are so old that the citizenship process and learning English are hard for them. Then there is Uncle Jose who came up from Mexico in 1990 and has been deported three times, so he hides from police, but continues working and paying taxes and social security under false accounts. So out of 10-15 people in the trailer about half are citizens. Why in the hell are you going to break up this family? certainly all live in fear….
I often joke about if Trump builds a 25 foot wall the best investment is in a 26 foot ladder company. But the reality of such construction besides its expense is that the unintended consequences will be to devastate the building industry in this country as cement becomes both more expensive and a shortage occurs to builders because all our resources are invested in this wall. That means single family houses and apartments will become more expensive and harder to find, road work will be delayed and new business will have to postpone construction. Wow! A Trump-caused Recession because of a wall? We will pay for it, and not Mexico, in ways never imagined. Cement suppliers will want to go after the big contracts and steady work of the wall, while a small shopping center building contractor will be denied cement products. Backyard cement projects? Forget it! The largest producers of cement in the world are China and India which pose another set of problems: continued offshoring of our jobs, the lack of quality control (concrete will fall apart), and the fact that Chinese producers are selling the rights to other manufacturers to dump heavy metals and radioactive materials into their batches of cement.
Same thing (shortages, prices increases, use of Chinese product, failure of the inferior product) almost exactly, if the wall is made out of steel.
Forgot to mention that there are whole wildlife migration concerns also.
On November 17th there is chatter on the Alt Right Internet that the way Trump will pay for the wall is by intercepting the electronic remittances (like Western Union) that immigrants and recently documented workers send back to their home countries on the basis that they are illegally earning the money. Think it can’t happen? Tell it to the interned Japanese of 1942.
William,
The man who wrote Arizona’s discriminatory law SB-1070, which racially profiled immigrants, is now a member of Trump’s transition team and a possible pick to lead the Department of Homeland Security.
His name is Kris Kobach and he is committed to helping Trump carry out some of his most controversial campaign promises, including building a wall along our border with Mexico and creating a national Muslim registry.
For the last 15 years, Kobach has spent his time making life miserable for immigrants. If he gets a spot in Trump’s administration, we can expect things to get even worse.
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Kobach is known as the “mastermind” behind the Republican Party’s most anti-immigrant legislation. He was the one to start using state and municipal governments as breeding grounds for harsh immigration measures that tear families apart.
Up until now, Kobach’s power has been limited to the state level. If he ends up in Trump’s Cabinet with the power of the federal government at his disposal, immigrant communities will be severely at risk.
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The truth is that if you have the best immigration lawyer you can be a citizen within months. Without them—it takes years. There is a 9-10 year “wait” for people in the construction and tourism industries because their work is “not essential.” Nine or ten years to be reunited with their greater family? This is totally unreasonable!
Plus the federal immigration courts have a backlog of 2-4 years on their cases. How is this justice?
This from Mr. I., who is a U.S. Citizen from Mexico and has a small child born here (another U.S. Citizen). His wife a hotel maid in New Mexico was picked up in a ICE raid at her hotel and was immediately detained at El Paso despite her pleas that she was breastfeeding her infant son. Mr. I who was babysitting with breast pumped milk, grew worried when she didn’t come home. He went to the hotel and all the workers families said they’ve been taken by bus to El Paso.
Mr. I. went to El Paso and he showed them a video of their marriage. He came with the son, the last of the breast milk and a neighbor lady, and pleaded with them. But they told him she can apply for citizenship and wait the 10 years for maids and enter legally as a citizen. So it was hopeless and then he started driving back home on I-10 and saw a sign: “Immigration Troubles?” He put $5,000 down with the lawyer and $5,000 after the case was heard some two weeks later, and today she is a U.S. Citizen back home with the baby.
For people trying to not be deported in the early days of the trump Administration when the bugs have not been worked out of the deportation program:
1. I would apply for my passport and carry it with you.
2. In New Mexico our Driver’s Licenses are not REAL ID Act compliant so they may be no good.
3. Make sure a birth certificate original is at your house.
Any other suggestions?
The whole thing is very complicated, as we have found out with the Mooose-Lamb ban (Melissa McCarthy video SNL):
Before Election Day, my friends from Mexico, who are here in one complicated status or another, would ask me if Trump would be elected. I would reply that: “No, he just isn’t Presidential material and besides the American people are smarter than that.”
I was wrong friends……
And he has been wrong with his Muslim Travel Ban and aggressive deportations of non-criminals.
Farmers say Trump’s immigration policies will raise prices: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hotly-debated-trump-move-could-hit-your-pocketbook-farmers-say/
A Woody Guthrie song summarizing it all, redone by Johnny Cash and Johnny Rodriguez Deportee” Plane Wreck at Los Gatos): https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dd87jEZ1Agpo%26fref%3Dgc%26dti%3D136461779799902&h=ATP5HoML7-K40GIYlFGQfHqJVwjjujkS-HuY1UxOFCLuUMh2ZInHC-1AkjkSmibiXNOevMUwPC63ITt2-kAx9sWoRCepyehbn2vs9esLyneyedfhUr3a0lEO4hvwEuguChli3AvxGb-8_vc4h9BDASjq3gMD9iE
Texas Finally Acknowledges Rangers Killed Hundreds of Latinos:
http://www.latina.com/lifestyle/our-issues/texas-rangers-kill-latinos
I have a friend J. who came over 30 years ago “Legal” with a work permit (green Card that he overstayed—and is now undocumented). His parents had no jobs in Mexico (plus kind of handicapped) and sent him here when he turned 18 (to send money home). This was just after Reagan’s amnesty so he figured it would happen again anyway. Over time, he has had two United States citizens wives and one son born here in Texas (using these three positives, each time he applied for citizenship, they told him 9 years).
A few years back, he completed all ESL requirements got a legal Social Security Card and a background check, in 2013 he was told 9 years and he signed up on a contract which would be fulfilled in he didn’t get in trouble and checked in every year (2022).
In 2018, the Trump Administration called him in for a review and they are saying he will be sent back although he completed all requirements under Obama to be citizen. He paid a $5,000 fine and was told eleven years or 2029. This year he is scheduled to pay $10,000 to “stay.”
Trump is exploiting people to possibly get payoffs.
How does the immigration system just willy-nilly change citizenship contracts?
Trump ramps up rhetoric on undocumented immigrants: ‘These aren’t people. These are animals.’
Gregory Korte and Alan Gomez, USA TODAY Published May 16, 2018:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/05/16/trump-immigrants-animals-mexico-democrats-sanctuary-cities/617252002/
There are some really decorated guys on this list. But it doesn’t surprise me. Trump’s list of who to expel from Country: 1. Criminals, 2. People with strange things in their immigration file, 3. DACA, 4. Innocent children, 5. Decorated immigrants who are War Heroes, 6. People with Hispanic Last names….who else?
https://apnews.com/38334c4d061e493fb108bd975b5a1a5d/AP-NewsBreak:-US-Army-quietly-discharging-immigrant-recruits?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=AP&__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/stop-saying-migrant-caravan-asylum-162246350.html?.tsrc=fauxdal&fbclid=IwAR0gREGM0eaPBsEwUvESQiJPaUf-Up3MwYFa1THRuRpg8W0EvDPK6RsSZsQ
Kent State—the National Guard was ordered not to have live ammunition in the guns. “Four Dead in Ohio” song by Neil Young.
Trump cannot move the troops to fire on the border.
The Posse Comitatus Act…
https://www.politicususa.com/2018/10/31/panicked-trump-is-now-sending-15000-troops-to-combat-imaginary-caravan-threat.html?fbclid=IwAR1gykhpy_l1JCu_iBAidgThahxf8ttB5l0L0vOqAGxUvH9jmHgtjrcfDEU
If Trump had any leadership qualities he would get someone to translate a flyer in Spanish and then air drop the flyers on the caravans saying we will not accept this caravan for asylum—turn around now. He would achieve his aim and look Presidential not Petty. He would be a peacemaker; instead he ramps up the rock throwing and military confrontation, the lawlessness of the Democrats, and how your women will be raped by the caravan, the bad dudes and Middle Eastern, etc. There have been reports that Fox News was embedded in these countries and encouraged the caravans to form to bolster Trump.
https://mobile.reuters.com/news/picture/children-of-the-caravan-idUSRTX6H7XP?fbclid=IwAR3UeJabYKC_zeR9_l8gQakObmt9ksGhoEIL_RKEcatVU6FoEhUq93EvCIs
Trump Vows To Authorize Military To Fire On Caravan: If They Throw Rocks ‘We Will Consider That A Firearm’
By Guardians of Democracy Staff Published on November 1, 2018
https://theguardiansofdemocracy.com/trump-authorizes-military-to-fire-on-caravan-if-they-throw-rocks-we-will-consider-that-a-firearm/?fbclid=IwAR1fg1HxEYwepZi90XKn9upt4zYP-G4np5Bf46ozGza3Wt3S3ny2MJw5puQ
He also said that his classified information is that the number of illegals is 22 million and not 12 million and they will work to dealing with that higher number be it deportations or whatever, we’ll see what happens.
So I am thinking the only way you can do that is do computer searches of every Latino name and load up the trains (real citizen or not).
https://www.democracynow.org/2016/10/27/shane_bauer_infiltrates_armed_militia_hunting?fbclid=IwAR13h1bkxPsWELvQ_TN6MVXfVUmHC2hJxcj7Bnps6E8RGO4HynXXe4CuKNc
Russian ‘birth tourists’ are flocking to Miami, and Trump condos, to give birth to American citizens
January 12, 2018
https://theweek.com/speedreads/748344/russian-birth-tourists-are-flocking-miami-trump-condos-give-birth-american-citizens
Idaho Elementary Teachers Dressed Up As Mexicans And The Border Wall For Halloween
The Middleton School District superintendent has since apologized for the images and vowed to investigate the matter.
By Alanna Vagianos
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/idaho-elementary-school-border-wall-halloween_us_5bdc725be4b04367a87c358d?ncid=engmodushpmg00000003&fbclid=IwAR1FcFTh6ale1nmzSAu1xNJX8NAizkf71YJhgW_tpyVYt9884PHSdmD2VC4
The price of steel has gone from 1/2 cent a pound to 5 cents now. The 1/2 cent figure was from 1940 to 1980 (of course a lot of war subsidies were in that figure). A huge need for steel for the border will cause a shortage in the domestic economy. What will this do for the country?
The price of steel has gone from 1/2 cent a pound to 5 cents now. The 1/2 cent figure was from 1940 to 1980 (of course a lot of war subsidies were in that figure). A huge need for steel for the border will cause a shortage in the domestic economy. What will this do for the country?
The Russians have a lot of steel they want to export. For sometime we have been taking Chinese Steel but it is so inferior for bridge work that specifications are now eliminating it from use. But then maybe that is the Chinese strategy?
Thom Hartmann Radio Show had a caller yesterday (December 26th, 2018) that said that many ranchers graze on both sides of the river and have not yet been approached for Right of Way. Also he said on his property they grow crops in the floodplain and the wall would have to be set back from this because of the irrigation would not support a foundation. He thought they would lose 500 acres on their 6,000 acre parcel. He said the average setback for the wall because of floodplains would be 500 feet and what would happen to the usability of this land? Plus cutting off wildlife.
A land survey would have to be done and it would take a long time. At the State Highway Department we had a road on the border with Texas. Our mapping crew had to contact the U.S. Geologic Survey and the State of Texas to get them to agree on the survey and meet on site. I would assume there are “International protocols” to follow.
Trump: Army Can Take Americans’ Homes (1-4-2019):
This is counter to the Republican message since 1950 (maybe since 1935 when they opposed Social Security as a national system of a national identification program and all people would have the SS # branded on their forehead, and no privacy). When Eisenhower proposed a Interstate system his fellow Republicans decried the use of eminent domain to take people’s castles away from them. The Federalist Society backed several judges on the Supreme Court because of their stances on private property (Scalia). The decisions in the last 20 years in front of SCOTUS reaffirmed the GOP’s position that a man’s home is his castle. Many of these cases were purposely advanced to SCOTUS to limit liberals’ abilities to do public works projects for the commons.
U.S. Border Patrol Detained U.S. Citizens for Speaking Spanish in Montana
Cody Wofsy, Staff Attorney, ACLU Immigrants’ Rights Project
& Caitlin Borgmann, Executive Director, ACLU of Montana
FEBRUARY 14, 2019 | 1:00 PM
https://www.aclu.org/blog/immigrants-rights/ice-and-border-patrol-abuses/us-border-patrol-detained-us-citizens-speaking?fbclid=IwAR20m7ZWALrywFmX9xH0Wtbtw7a-3HAlv9Lh_2XqZbym_JDErMM6RbpupRE
https://www.npr.org/2019/03/04/699177071/40-years-after-the-vietnam-war-some-refugees-face-deportation-under-trump
Talk them about what? How Trump’s future deportation policies will be computer searches by Latino last name? How he will send your kids to war to divert from the Impeachment hearings? How he will use nuclear weapons to stop hurricanes advancing on Cuba and Miami? How he will help Puerto Rico clean up from a hurricane years ago? How Latino unemployment can be even lower when you start your 3rd or 4th job? How the Trump Tax Cuts raised your tax rate? How now only four rivers in New Mexico are now protected from groundwater contamination? How the Latino and Native American discrimination assistance program at USDA has been ended? How the parts of Yellowstone you always wanted to visit are now sealed off so Donald Jr. and his friends can hunt?